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Call for Bloggers/Posters
It's time to step up to the front of the line gentle people. The Annex is here to provide more than just a few people access to a forum to pose a thought, ask a question, rouse the rabble. You need to contact Okie via e-mail for access to the Annex. The interface at the Annex is easy. Rest your minds on that. If you've been on-line a while you'll get it fast. It's all WYSIWYG.
It can't just be a few of us here with mouths and fingers to speak, and I have the hunch that there are more of you chomping at the bit to say your piece and ask a question or two. Now's the time. Okie can be contacted at:
glimmung2@yahoo.com
Posted by Kate Storm on August 3, 2004 at 12:07 AM | Permalink
Comments
Maybe people are too polite to interupt the Kate Storm Show.
Posted by: Stoy | Aug 3, 2004 1:21:33 AM
I like the Kate Storm show. ;0)
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 3, 2004 6:49:25 AM
I'm glad to hear that you're going to author a thread or two or more here Stoy. As you've already seen, a few of us can't keep the place going without people like you. What a relief to find others so willing to participate.
Posted by: Kate_Storm | Aug 3, 2004 6:56:56 AM
"As a veteran agent chasing home-grown terrorist suspects for the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Mike German always had a knack for worming his way into places few other agents could go.
In the early 1990's, he infiltrated a group of white supremacist skinheads plotting to blow up a black church in Los Angeles. A few years later, he joined a militia in Washington State that talked of attacking government buildings. Known to his fellow militia members as Rock, he tricked them into handcuffing themselves in a supposed training exercise so the authorities could arrest them.
So in early 2002, when Mr. German got word that a group of Americans might be plotting support for an overseas Islamic terrorist group, he proposed to his bosses what he thought was an obvious plan: go undercover and infiltrate the group.
But Mr. German says F.B.I. officials sat on his request, botched the investigation, falsified documents to discredit their own sources, then froze him out and made him a "pariah." He left the bureau in mid-June after 16 years and is now going public for the first time - the latest in a string of F.B.I. whistle-blowers who claim they were retaliated against after voicing concerns about how management problems had impeded terrorism investigations since the Sept. 11 attacks."
And whatdo they get for their actions? More power. God, I love Murika!
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 3, 2004 7:31:50 AM
To post an article takes more then to chit-chat what most of us are doing and maybe people just take it to seriously. I would actually like if people don’t, but I my self probably take it seriously too.
Posted by: vbo | Aug 3, 2004 8:01:02 AM
Thanks, Kate.
We're talkin' about that ol' Whiskey Bar synergy.
I do respectfully request that everyone get into the habit of using a consistent nickname, though. The Forum will force this, so it's good practice. If you're not willing to say something under the name we know you by, it may be better left unsaid. To keep things simple, I don't require a name/email/URL to comment - and I wouldn't require registration even if TypePad allowed for it. If we just maintain our basic level of respect for each other as individuals, we'll do fine.
:^)
Posted by: OkieByAccident | Aug 3, 2004 12:20:59 PM
Just call her John Henry...
I have my own tunnel to dig out right now.
Posted by: Stoy | Aug 3, 2004 12:46:56 PM
My apologies to Kate, Okie and everyone else. I am a bit stressed out right now and I let it get the best of me.
:/
Posted by: Stoy | Aug 3, 2004 1:53:56 PM
Thanks, Stoy. One of the ways my stress shows is by getting too "yacky", including on-line. I hope your stress level goes down soon. ;-)
Posted by: Kate_Storm | Aug 3, 2004 2:02:29 PM
I still don't believe the terror threats from the liars are real. I would need to have them stop them in the act. They can put things in a PC, get a guy to claim he is #2 in Al queda, or they could Say he is or even get him in and then catch him. They lie enough so why can't they stage a story to use when they want to. Might have a Bunch with different senarios. I don't think it is beyond belief. If they did get Real info on a PC that was 4yrs old, Just get someone to say it is current. Give him an arab name or pick someone with a Similar name. it Doesn't have to be exact. Just one part will do. They've done That already. The sheep will buy it.
Posted by: Vince F | Aug 5, 2004 3:06:21 AM
@Vince F -- whatever doubts i harbored concerning the slim possibility that the dynamic duo may have honestly (who knew?) erred, the way their evidence has been evolving since Sunday proves to me that they are trying to cover their politically motivated scare, i.e., we're talking about unprincipled scum.
Here's Wednesday's version:
The White House said on Wednesday it received "another new stream of intelligence reporting" on Friday that contributed to the decision to raise the terrorism alert level, brushing aside suggestions it relied solely on the dated information.
"I think when you connect all these streams of intelligence it paints an alarming picture," White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters. Source
Also, i like the way "stream" of intelligence becomes "streams" of intelligence. Typical prevaricating Bush Felons.
Meanwhile, while everyone's looking for the evidence in Bush's terror alert claim, Iraq is transforming into a failed state each passing day.
Posted by: x174 | Aug 5, 2004 3:36:00 AM
and the prevaricating continues. . .
A Record Deficit
Thursday, August 5, 2004; Page A18
Washington Post
THE BUSH administration announced last week its revised figure for this year's budget deficit: $445 billion. This, or so the spin goes, is good news, because the original forecast was even higher -- $521 billion. But outside budget experts had warned that the forecast was inflated, which tarnishes any celebration of the new number.
Posted by: x174 | Aug 5, 2004 3:43:01 AM
Then there's that little matter of responsibility among the Bush Felons:
Investigations into the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison have, until now, primarily focused on whether the junior military personnel seen in the now-infamous photographs broke the law. But the scandal should also serve as a reminder to U.S. military commanders regarding their exposure to potential prosecution under the doctrine of "command responsibility." This is the doctrine under which both the U.S. military justice system and international law hold military commanders criminally responsible for the illegal acts of their subordinates.
There are at least six inquiries underway that may assign responsibility for the abuses at Abu Ghraib to senior military officers
Posted by: x174 | Aug 5, 2004 3:56:45 AM
Inserts from transcript from last night Date line:
… REPORTER: So what will happen to him?
CAPTAIN LEICKER: What will happen to him? He will go take a nice little trip with us, go spend a few days in our deluxe accommodations back at the FOB. And if we're lucky he'll go get to visit his cousin up in Abu Ghraib. Hopefully that will work out. Nice family reunion.
PRISONER (Translation): I'm a worker. I have nothing to do with it. I'm a guard.
… The soldiers are acting on information that this property is used by the insurgents. They are searching for hidden weapons or explosives, but they find nothing here today. Often these raids don't uncover anything, but the people are still detained and questioned. The detention can last indefinitely. What will happen to this man if he goes to Abu Ghraib or to any of the other detention facilities throughout Iraq?
… Since these pictures were revealed in April, the authorities have taken measures to show there is no more torture in Abu Ghraib. But there is ample evidence that violence and torture are still applied in Iraqi prisons. There are also claims of abuses outside the prison system, like theft and looting by US soldiers.
What emerges is that there's consistent mistreatment of Iraqis in and out of jails, which has cost the Americans their battle for the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people.
… when they raid the house in the middle of the night there is only the victim and the troops.
… EMAN AHMED KHAMAS: Many of the prisoners told me about a kind of torture which is called the scorpion. The scorpion. And the man who did this kind of - I mean, this is his trademark, this is his kind of torture, is called Satan, you know. And they describe him - everybody agree that he is not very tall, that he's reddish, that he's not black, that he has tattoo on his arms, on his chest, etc. This kind of torture is simply very - they tie the hands up and they tie the legs together. They put the man on his face on the ground and then they join the hands and the legs, you know, the wrong way, not from the front, from the back. And then they put their boots on the back and they push. And so, of course, this is very dangerous because a man could be killed in this because if they break his backbone he's killed. And I actually heard one man was killed in this kind of torture, one.
… ZEINI (Translation): They'll always shift prisoners between cells. They brought in an engineer called Khaled. He'd been imprisoned in Adhamiya Palace. They mutilated him. They brought him in totally naked. They had put a stick in his rectum. His bottom was covered in blood. His finger was cut off.
… Zeini told me about his cellmate at the Airport prison, Dr Nazar. He said Dr Nazar was transferred to Abu Ghraib from the Airport prison. He believes Nazar was killed at Abu Ghraib.
ZEINI (Translation): He said "It doesn't look good. My destiny is unknown". He was crying. He said, "Only God knows where they'll take me." He gave us his home address. After my release... I was released on the 28th... I went to his house in Adhamiya. He was killed on the 19th of June.
Nazar's family told Zeini that the body was dumped by US troops outside a Baghdad hospital. Nobody knows the exact circumstances of his death. Eman is trying to investigate Dr Nazar's case. But it's difficult.
… A former detainee told me about two female prisoners killed by their families after their release because the families had believed they had been raped in the prison. The shame of rape means that these stories do not come out easily.
… But there are claims of other abuses of power by the US troops. Widespread stealing by American soldiers during raids are common knowledge in Iraq, but they are rarely reported
… Then the Americans raided his house and he says they stole US$65,000 from him.
… After that they searched the house in a very ugly manner, like savages. They smashed all the televisions, electrical appliances like fridges and freezers and wooden things. And they stole $65,750 from me, and 15,350,000 Iraqi dinars and all 280 grams of the women's gold jewellery.
… His predecessor, Abdel Basset Turki, resigned in frustration in April this year over the conduct of the US forces. His brief was to investigate the crimes of the Saddam era but he found the crimes of the US occupation more pressing.
… A leaked Red Cross report earlier this year estimated that 70% to 90% of security detainees in Iraq were imprisoned by mistake
Posted by: vbo | Aug 5, 2004 9:48:44 AM
Interesting info guys, I Always like to know the truth. False info rattles around in my brain since
It doesn't make sense and I Need to get to the truth so I can rest.
Iraq has been a Failed State since the end of Major Combat or maybe even the beging of the war. The terrorists are floding in since they know how screwed up the admin is and that they can train their guys right under Our noses. Hear that our New Friend Pakistan is doing some training. They claim for Kasmir but some get lost and take a left turn. Iran is probably supplying some. That country that some of the 9-11 guys went through. Guess if our intel was any good, we would have known that but they may have and just spelled Iran, Iraq. That's easy to do and what difference does it make. When on a crusade you kill them all and let god figure it out. If we didn't want the oil, we could nuke them, but then why would we.
I would like More coverage of the wars. Feel like I am geting cheated when I finally see something about Afghanistan again and all the Fun there. I want it every day. Car and roadside bombs can get boring. They all look the same. Need a little opium growing and war lords not giving up their weapons. That Other Failed State is geting ignored. Need more on the prisoner abuses. We got cheated on that. Maybe the pictures are going to be sold on an infomercial. Iraqies Gone Wild !! Hope they include movies.
Posted by: Vince F | Aug 6, 2004 12:37:11 AM
Saw Springsteen on Night Line and Good to see he is doing the concerts. Had heard that Santana and Bon Jovi were interested. Good to hear that the Dixi Chics are on board and Ronstat should join.
Tommy Franks is hawking his book and giving the war his spin. They Didn't want to wait to get more troops in place for Fear Saddam would destroy the water and oil. I guess Saddam is SO SLOW and would need a yr to do that which is Why it didn't happen. MAYBE they didn' want to give him more time to Think it up. Hit him Fast so he doesn't.
Posted by: Vince F | Aug 6, 2004 9:21:49 AM
